Ms Anastasia Crickley:

If my colleagues in Donegal do not want to contribute, I will.

Senator Hoey is correct about the leaflets that were delivered during the Covid-19 pandemic, but we must be careful about one size fitting all. That was certainly our experience. In this instance, by "our" I mean Pavee Point, which I have been associated with for many years. One leaflet may not exactly fit what communities need or want. I am also conscious of differentials at the moment. For example, I am familiar with the ways in which Ukrainian Roma refugees are encountering difficulties when they arrive here, and sometimes experience ongoing difficulties.

Yes, a campaign is a good idea. Yes, a leaflet might be a good idea, but whether one-size-fits-all is important. Communities need support to build their confidence. I am not sure they always need training. Sometimes communities need support to build their confidence. They have resilience and capacity but need support to build their confidence and I would say capacity building rather than the training that Ms McDonald and her colleagues are offering. That is important. This is a new risk and a new challenge, but communities have faced challenges and taken risks before. Our colleagues from Ballymun for All are absolutely right. A national campaign that resources and gives credence,credibility and power to local communities taking this stand is important. It must acknowledge the differentials and differences that are happening and the ways in which different communities are affected. These things have to be taken on board. Otherwise we end up with a situation of a glossy campaign that does not cut the ice in the end. It is possible and things can be done. We need national information but it also requires a change in culture, in thinking and in the messages from political leaders overall.