Mr. Frank Jones:

Of course I am going to say things could be done better. While it is an issue it is not the most serious. There are several different arrangements. If we had our preferred arrangement, PhD students would be considered to be employees and would be covered under the industrial relations legislation. Some are and some are not. Some are for some of the work they do. The real issue is the casualisation when it comes to those delivering the lectures and the abuse of the fixed-term legislation, for example, repeatedly rolling out short-term contracts to cover for where long-term needs exist.