Mr. Donall O'Keeffe:

Yes, but, in simple terms, the safety standards required, the building regulations required, the public liability insurance required, the CCTV requirement and, most likely, the door security requirement for late trading are different for pubs. They are just different. They are much more costly to implement. To set up and to develop a building to sell alcohol on premises costs a lot more. What we are saying is that if a cultural amenity premises wants to sell alcohol on premises, the regulations have to be the same for everybody, full stop. The cultural amenity licence is a new proposal. We are clear that we welcome it once the definition is reasonable, but those premises must face the same building regulations, the same security requirements, the same insurance requirements and the same rates if they are to sell alcohol on the premises. My average member pays €24,000 a year, €2,000 a month, in rates. They sell alcohol on the premises. Therefore, if a cultural amenity premises is to sell alcohol on the premises, it should be rated like a licensed premises.