Mr. Declan Dunne:

To pick up Mr. Hannigan's point, Respond has been around for 40 years and has a history of different funding models. We have more than 100 community buildings around the country. It is wonderful that they are there and are providing a whole range of services including disability services, youth services, our own childcare services and so on. It is really quite important so I agree fully with what Mr. Hannigan has said. However, it leaves us now with an electricity bill of €500,000 last year just for those properties alone, never mind insurance or anything else and you can imagine what that is now. That causes certain challenges. There are some developments we are doing with local authorities which have planning where it is in the Part 8 process and they included community buildings and it makes it very hard to make those viable. We managed, somehow, to do a miracle on one to make it happen. However that becomes the challenge. It goes back to that issue where absolutely, we are in a terrible crisis in respect of the criticality of people having beds and homes and all of that but it is also about societal outcomes, that is, outcomes for children and people and we need to think a bit about that. We have used our resources that have been built up over years to fund us to be able to finance that construction phase but also to finance these activities. We are supported by a whole range of public bodies to deliver the services we provide such as the Dublin Region Homeless Executive, the HSE in some cases and many others. However, having the building there to do it means something will happen in that community that is so badly needed. I fully the support the need for some mechanism for that.

In terms of the retrofit issue, so far we have spent €20 million of Respond money, which was matched by the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland, SEAI, at €40 million, to retrofit 2,000, I believe, of our homes. We have around 650 yet to do so if you have homes that are being built this year, they are wonderful and beautiful and are A-rated and whatever but what about your tenants from 1982? What about your tenants from the late 1980s? We have a big responsibility to address the fuel poverty issue. We have been doing that for a number of years and will continue to do so.