Ms Annie Sheppard:

It is in some ways but is not in other ways. There is still a stigma that requires students to get great points and a great job thereafter. People are saying that the leaving certificate is changing but it is not. The way it is presented is that the leaving certificate is what one's life depends on, and it will always be that way. The leaving certificate picks the path of students' lives. I do not agree with that in the slightest.

On the point around physical education, I would love to play football as my job and get paid for it but I do not think that will be the case. As the Deputy said, more emphasis on sport management and all that would be brilliant.