Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Tuesday, 18 October 2022

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence

Justice for Colombia: Discussion

Mr. Hasan Dodwell:

Absolutely. In answer to the question, I think that is exactly what this new Colombian Government is trying to take a lead on.

As for environmental transition, there are big objectives. In campaigning the government has spoken about wanting to get to zero reliance on export of fossil fuels. That is the biggest part of Colombian exports and GDP at the moment, so it is a huge intention. What will replace fossil fuels? What I have heard spoken about is a desire to reinvigorate Colombia's agricultural production. The details of that I have not seen, but that is certainly at the headline level what the government wants to do. It wants to turn Colombia back into a producer of food, that is, a producing country using its agricultural potential. Again, and this was also in the UN speech, I think, if the government is to be able to respond to the environmental issue, as a country with big sections of the Amazon rainforest, there will be a lot of attention and pressure on Colombia. It will not be possible to respond to that need of Colombians and of the world without international conversations or without an international shift in energy consumption. That is the message going out. It will be interesting to see how that develops over the coming years.

There was mention of the peace process and maybe a need for increased stipends. I will just emphasise that continued attention on the peace agreement. That is certainly what we are focused on doing, and all the support we can get for that is extremely welcome.

As for the transitional justice programme, I do not feel comfortable or in a position to speak about what can be learned here from Colombia. What I can say, however, is that, while of course we have many challenges, positives have come through having the many recognitions of responsibility that former FARC commanders have made on multiple occasions, and the protests have led to several members of the military taking responsibility for their actions in the false positives killings I spoke about earlier. I spoke to some of the victims, and that process is really important to them. Those might be just anecdotal things, but we know that is important on a broader scale as well. What is important now in that sense is that we will start to see sentences for different crimes come out for the FARC and for the state, so internationally it is important we are ready to respond in the way we want to respond. It is to be hoped it will continue in the way that seems correct for the peace process and for the advancement of Colombia to respond in a way to support these decisions and how transitional justice is operating. It will probably face a big backlash in Colombia, where the decisions go more one way or more another way. It is important that our attention is on these decisions as they come out over the next few months.

Deputy Gannon mentioned women's issues and indigenous issues inside the peace process. As with many elements of the peace process, recent years have been pretty tragic in terms of the potential and the hope that was there and how much it has advanced. Among the issues that did not advance are what are called the instantes, the specific committees that were supposed to be set up to follow the implementation to make sure that it was keeping a focus on indigenous communities, Afro-Colombian communities and women communities. Now those committees are being reinitiated and given a new lease of life. It is early days, but we are, I think, in a position where we can be more hopeful.

To respond to the Chairman's comment about my optimism in this way, let us see what happens. However, as for the proposals that are coming out and the language being used, these are the same as the things that human rights organisations and peace organisations have been asking for in recent years, so that is a good reason for us to be hopeful but also to keep our attention and maintain our pressure.