Mr. Stephen Mulvany:

I agree with the Deputy. Not all section 39 bodies are the same but as the Deputy noted, we rely on the larger organisations just as much as we rely on any of the services and they provide services as good as and sometimes better than other parts of the service. We are aware that pay parity is a very significant issue. Many of those organisations would have had links to what we call the consolidated salary scales pre-recession. We are aware of and concerned about what would be a shift from section 39 organisations to section 28 organisations that can recruit because they have the consolidated salary scale. It is not an issue we can yet solve but it is one we recognise because we do value and rely significantly on a number of those section 39 organisations.