Dr. Helen Russell:

As discussed earlier, we could go back to the Nordic countries where there are much higher replacement rates for fathers on leave. They also have that system, which is what we have done as well, that a person uses it or loses it. It is not transferable between partners because that tends to also lead to lower take-up by men. The UK, interestingly, has just gone down that route to say people can share the leave, which is likely to lead to even lower take-up. The Nordic countries also have a lower pay gap.