Mr. John Enright:

In fairness to people out there we would have members and they would have gone to 130 or 140 cows. This might be a husband and wife, a father and son, a father and daughter or a mother and daughter and they have done that in good faith. They have taken out debt to go to that level and the debt is based on having a certain number of cows at a certain level of production and that has been completely undermined. That debt will not go away; it still has to be paid and overnight we are taking-----