Mr. Hubert Loftus:

As for planning, the benefit that came from the Government's policy approach of the national planning framework, Project Ireland 2040, is that it sort of sets a picture for us in terms of towns and areas where there are long-term population projections. That then guides our decision-making in respect of site requirements. More generally, however, as to where we are in respect of the cycle of demographics, at primary level, for the next decade or so, we will be in a downward spiral, with 100,000 or more fewer pupils. In a few years' time we will be at the peak at post-primary level, and that will also be on a downward curve, so-----