Verona Murphy (Wexford, Independent)
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This is where we were at when the Vice Chair made her opening statement about witnesses not coming in and co-operating with this committee, which is tasked with ensuring value for money for the Exchequer. I have asked Mr. Gunning a very simple question. Nobody is going to hold him to it. We have ascertained what the value is - 81% - and I ask him to tell us what his estimation is. Nobody is going to hold him to it because "estimate" is the word. He said it does not equate, which means he is a aware of a figure.