Mr. Robert Watt:

So I can be clear, there were min-MAC meetings that involve myself, the Minister and other members of the management team as appropriate meet formally on a Monday afternoon until quite recently. In the post-Covid situation we have changed our working patterns and obviously the Minister's working patterns have evolved. The Minister then has meetings with the Ministers of State as appropriate. The assistant secretary or principal officer in those policy areas for which the Ministers of State are responsible would join in those discussions. They would take place as necessary.