Ruairi Ó Murchú (Louth, Sinn Fein)
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That makes complete sense and there is obviously the need for flexibility because all member states are coming from a different place in regard to this. I get the fact that there has been a huge uptake in regard to cybersecurity defences among many businesses across Ireland because of the ransomware attack on the HSE. If ever there was a lesson that needed to be learned, that is the lesson. It shows the dangers we live with. Following the review of the NCSC here, we saw that there was a requirement seriously to ramp up investment and capacity within it. I welcome what Mr. Lepassaar said in regard to the actions that were taken and on the collaborative approach that was taken around CSIRT and the transfer of necessary peer learnings and knowledge in regard to the attack. It has been said that there has been perhaps a failure to take on board some of the expert knowledge out there, even within this State, that is, among people who have been involved in academia and have been dealing with these subjects for possibly 20 years. We probably failed to avail of that. That is one thing.

We had dealings with the European Defence Agency, EDA, in regard to its role and remit and what it terms cyberdefence. There is considerable talk in regard to the European cybersecurity unit. I asked a question last week on who has the most use or who is going to be the lead in regard to that. How does Mr. Lepassaar's outfit fit into that diagram? Can he explain that to me?