Jennifer Carroll MacNeill (Dún Laoghaire, Fine Gael)
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I am terribly sorry to interrupt but visitation for partners is a very different thing if it is an hour or two hours between 5 p.m. and 7 p.m., as it used to be for grandparents, compared with unlimited access to sit beside a very sick child. When we talk about visitation, that is one of the points of contention. It is about how much and the quality of it. We are talking about people who are now largely vaccinated, based on population figures, and staff who are vaccinated. It is that sort of detail that is really upsetting people.