Mr. Kieran Mulvey:

I thank Deputy Fitzmaurice. I am conscious of the mistrust among the unions being articulated a number of times. I will just have to meet with them and hear that at first hand.

On the incentivising, I will have to check to see is the State's liberty to incentivise. I would have thought, given what was addressed earlier and mentioned at the start, that there would be empathy in Europe for those regions undergoing this change, and that the state-aid rule would be relaxed with regard to incentivising or subsidising industry. We would just have to say that we cannot have a situation whereby an area of a country has a vital economic activity up to now and it suddenly disappears. We must get alternatives in, and renewable energy and so on. It will depend; I must be briefed and informed about that. I believe there is always a national imperative to break down the centralisation of the provision of industries and services in our cities, and particularly in Dublin. It is creating all kinds of problems, including around housing, traffic and transport arteries. The centralisation of offices and the distribution of industry in Dublin especially creates a myriad of problems.

I have only recently found out that the National Parks and Wildlife Service owns some 80% of the bogs in the State. It owns more bogs than Bord na Móna, and they are spread out over the State. It is one of the biggest landowners. It is all about the tracks and trails now and it is trying to get new industry support and new outdoor activities and so on. I will meet with the NPWS to get its view and experience. I have heard about the NPWS experience of wetlands replenishing the bogs.

On the issue of procurement and the industry, there is no point in creating a separate system for retrofitting - or any other system. If this goes to procurement and if it is above a certain threshold, companies from the UK, for example, who probably have more experience in Europe, can come in and - they must be awarded the contract. Where is the sense in that? We need to measure and plan it well.