Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Wednesday, 4 December 2019

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs

Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion

Dr. John Lawlor:

Generally, the principle of independent investigation is very important. That is why in the summer of 2017 we commissioned Ian Elliott. In reviewing our safeguarding policies and procedures and looking at historic cases, we determined that it was important that it be done by someone who was independent, expert and external. That is why we sourced Ian Elliott and it was on that basis that we gave him his terms of reference. I understand the suggestion that because he was employed by Scouting Ireland, it compromised him. I believe his own standing is above that and demonstrates our openness to external examination. We have no issue with external examination. It is not the case that Scouting Ireland is opposed to it. It is a matter for Government how it happens. We have been open to examination by Tusla and by An Garda Síochána, and Ian Elliott has done a fine job of maintaining his independence in respect of the legacy issues we have had and his commentary on how we should improve what we do in the modern era.