If a group has the view the Department is not engaging with it, it will get entrenched, which appears to be what has happened over recent weeks. I apologise for raising this but in recent days I have had a number of robust conversations on this issue and I am not putting forward the view of any one organisation. I am putting forward the view of ordinary consultants who work very hard in the health service. They feel they are under pressure because they cannot provide a service because they do not have the support of consultants who should be in place. They feel excluded from the process.