Mr. Stephen Mulvany:

We are not saying the latter. The money is voted by the Oireachtas, it is given to the Department and the HSE physically gives the money to the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board, or in fact we probably now give it to Children's Health Ireland, which is a separate entity to the board. I am not in any way saying the HSE or the Department are unaware of what goes on in regard to the specific decisions and how they get made. I am not saying that for a minute.