Mr. Ciarán Devane:

I am probably not qualified to speak about that time, but the board's intention, at a strategic level, is to address both this and how to support the great staff of the HSE, who do great things every day, to do even more great things.

That has to be part of our role. There are other aspects which are within the purview of the Department of Health or the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. However, as a board we have to ask how to deliver the outcomes that the public and the system deserve. We should not be ducking that question. In my experience, a health system can have structures and policy but it is really an ecosystem of people.