Mr. Fergal Goodman:

On the point about the Irish Dental Association, IDA, the Deputy has reasonably summarised that different parties can be involved in a process and at the end of it still have different perspectives. We may have to agree that is as it is but, as we move to implement the policy undoubtedly it will require a high level of engagement with the IDA in its representative role of the external providers and as the union for salaried staff in the HSE. Mr. Healy and I, as the Chairman may be aware, recently were involved in a process in respect of general practitioners and despite much toing and froing, tension and differing perspectives, as the end of it we came out with an agreement. That is what we will also be aiming to do with the reform of dental services. Mr. Healy might want to amplify that, as he has been involved in many significant change programmes in the HSE.