Mr. Mike Allen:

Part of our broader discussion is if the Department, in wanting to reflect this, sat down with organisations such as ours and stated it ought to recognise it as being different, we would state from working at an international level we know what is best practice and how it is done abroad. We would not state we were opposed to it. If we had been able to discuss it, we would have been able to arrive at a position where collectively we could have made the change to the way the figures were announced. We would then have been in position to support the Minister in making the change against people who just wanted to use the figures for political-----