Mr. Paul Kenny:

We have approximately 24 full-time staff and another five or six people working with us on a part-time basis. Our turnover in the last fiscal year was approximately €2.2 million. We provide many services outside Tipperary because no one else is providing some of those services. Most of the costs are staff. We have to compete in the market for staff and pay engineers the going rate. In the region of two thirds or three quarters of our staff are technically focused. Their focus is very much on building renovations and consultancy. We have a communications and events section. We run an energy in agriculture event with the IFA and Teagasc to try to help that sector along. We do a lot of work with the SEAI on a number of its programmes and work for it in its public sector programme and so on. Our communications staff work on trying to get the energy transition more widely known. We do marketing campaigns, case studies, videos and events. We go around to public centres in Tipperary and so on to try to increase people's knowledge of the energy transition. It has been very successful but very hard. Some State support would be wonderful but if the State support is done incorrectly, we will get people sitting on the fence and not delivering. Any State support should be based on delivering an effective service. It should be based on kilowatt hours and carbon dioxide tonnes. It should be very much focused on supporting the market but it should be lean and effective.