Mr. Hugh Doyle:

I know that, and I will stick to the facts. Senator Lombard mentioned the survey. The Beef Plan Movement decided to carry out a quick survey last Saturday, and put questions to just over 10,000 farmers.

In a 24-hour period, 2,370 farmers responded. These are facts and the farmers are real farmers;28% percent of the farmers, or nearly one third, have said they fully intend to reduce numbers once the genomic scheme ends. The scheme was brought in a couple of years ago. Farmers cannot leave it until 2020.