Mr. Ian Elliott:

It is not all the same material. Victim disclosures which came to us also have to be taken into account. An area that is worth looking at is the distinction the Deputy has made between what she describes as the past, historical cases and what is happening currently. I do not see a great distinction between those two from our point of view. I say that because every case that has taken place that we are aware of represents a source of learning for us. Terminology is very important and people often dismiss what has gone before, saying that it is in the past. That is not my approach. My approach is that we need to learn from that, to understand what happened, and what and who was involved. Those individuals may be in the organisation or in other organisations today. There may well be a victim or victims who need help or to be reached out to.

All of them represent a source of learning and all of them go through a process of assessment, adjudication and reflection within the organisation. I am not comfortable with trying to divide out the pieces of work and saying that that was then and this is now. It is not as clear as that. It is a matter for critically assessing and looking at all of the practices of the organisation, including the legacy organisations, and ensuring that what happened then can never happen again.