Mr. Pat Smyth:

The challenge for us is that the model of care we are putting in place, Signs of Safety, which Mr. Gibson and Mr. Quinlan have spoken about, is a more relationship-based model. We would hope that we would not need to get to those levels. Realistically, looking at it from this point, within my lifetime we probably will not see those numbers available. We are going to require more social workers. We have to address the numbers that can be retained within social work. While our leaver rates are high compared with other services in the UK, our turnover rate is about 7.5% while in the UK it is 15%. There is a challenge on all those fronts. What the Chairman is driving towards is that we need to have different streams of people who can meet the demand. In respect of the workforce plan, in the absence of enough social workers within that space, we have to develop something more sophisticated in terms of identifying other cohorts that we can train to a comparative level, or identifying what work can we take from social workers that allows us to best utilise their skills.