Lord Deben:

Frankly, we use any country that is doing better than us to ask why we cannot do it as well. We benchmark against each bit of the United Kingdom. We are absolutely adamant to say to the English Government, so to speak, that the Scots are doing much better. The Welsh are doing much better on waste and this document on waste produced by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, DEFRA, is as good as it is partly because we kept saying that the Department does not want the Welsh to beat it. We enjoyed that.