Mr. John Dunne:

We have nothing against it, but what the HSE is doing is just using the other providers to fill in the gaps around that. In the context of stability, we had a case recently where we could tell they were HSE packages because there was a four-hour block in the middle of the day. That is gold to any commercial provider. I am putting ourselves in that category for the purposes of a tender. We recruited 12 staff. A block of cases came to us very suddenly out of the blue and we put in place the packages. Three months later we got a call basically saying, "thanks very much, you can fire all your staff now as our people are ready to take over again". The stability for the HSE staff is coming at the cost of the rest the sector. I am not saying that is necessarily what should happen but that is the way it is being operated at the moment.