Ms Sarah Neary:

In terms of the social housing retrofitting, as Mr. McCarthy has explained, the first phase focuses on attic insulation and either cavity fill or internal insulation, which are simple measures. Phase 2 is a deeper retrofit and will involve heating systems. It is important when a heating system is being changed to a heat pump, for example, that there is better fabric insulation. A heat pump would only be suitable when it is going hand in hand with a better energy performing building, that is, a building with a lower heat demand. There may have been a specific situation, in the case to which the Senator refers-----