Mr. Tony Goodwin:

----- the general discussion the committee is having today, but not to road haulage, which is the critical point. The diesel rebate scheme that exists in a number of countries throughout Europe is in recognition that diesel is the appropriate fuel for that type of activity. Our concern is that it has been mixed up in the fad-driven concept that diesel is the wrong fuel in all circumstances, which it is not. As Ms Murphy has pointed out the Euro 6 standard diesel engine emits air that is in some cases cleaner than the ambient air. It has a 90% reduction in the nitrogen oxides. It is a far better and cleaner system than the equivalent Euro 6 standard car, which was subject to the emissions scandal. That emissions scandal did not apply to the heavy-duty vehicles. That relates to buses and not just trucks.