Mr. Martin Fraser:

As the Deputy knows, the reason these matters are in the Taoiseach's Department is we had nothing to do with the actual events. Sometimes I wish I was in more trouble as I would not have so many tribunals to pay for. Let us look at the numbers. What the Deputy has talked about is the most important aspect, but if the figure for the Moriarty tribunal is going to top €65 million plus and the Fennelly commission costs €3.5 million - some of the other inquiries are a lot cheaper - we first need to be very careful about setting up tribunals. As the Deputy knows - it is nobody's fault - we have a problem with one of the commissions of investigation which is more like a tribunal of inquiry. I fear that the more something becomes like a tribunal of inquiry, the more expensive it will become. We all should reflect on the matter, but I know that we do-----