Mr. Ivan Cooper:

I wish to add a word of support to that. It is just to acknowledge Deputy Lawless's acknowledgement that everyone here has many more significant things that he or she should be doing today. It takes something in the world of charities, where there are so many challenges: fund-raising challenges, regulatory challenges and the governance challenges with which everyone is familiar. This issue has risen right up and for many organisations is now an existential challenge. I may be able to give another few examples later on at an appropriate moment to reinforce that. It should be noted that this is a very complicated terrain, as I am sure we are all aware, and it is difficult to understand the dynamics of what is going on. It is a challenge. It is a measure of the significance of the problem that ordinary business people and folk from the world of charities are taking time out to try to come to grips with this complicated landscape and make reasonable recommendations to our Parliament on the basis of it.