Mr. Conor Mulvihill:

To have that, we cannot have an individual such as Mr. McHugh; there has to be a pool. In fairness, Aurivo is making strides in the north west with the organic brand allotted from its An Grianán factory farm. That is its only real factory farm in Ireland. It is an accredited organic farm. However, it will take a cluster of farms to build on Ms Westbrook's piece to see if it is an opportunity for us. I refer especially to higher value. It all about achieving higher value to make sure the money will go back to the farmer.

On Deputy Danny Healy Rae's contribution, I disagree with some of his argumentation, but as a countryman, I agree with a lot of it. As to why we should be taking the sustainability initiative seriously, we are moving to a stage where for every 20 litres of milk we produce on the island, 19 will have to be got off our rock. The Germans, Africans, Chinese and Brazilians who are looking to buy milk in Kenmare, Kilgarvan or Ballinasloe need to have the production certified. They need proof that what we are claiming about our green credentials has been certified as sustainable not only by Dairy Industry Ireland or even Teagasc and Bord Bia but also by third parties. For us to be able to sell to my man in Baghdad, the company needs to see evidence to prove what we are claiming, that it is organic or whatever else, and that it has been certified by third parties.