Mr. Jimmy Martin:

First, the McAleese report distinguished clearly between industrial schools on the same sites and the Magdalen institutions. That is stated in the report which regards them as separate institutions. One of the issues mentioned specifically was that of harsh working conditions. It does not just use the phrase "forced labour". In his report Mr. Justice Quirke, when he sets out the payments to be made, distinguishes between what he regards as the labour part and the non-labour part. The focus in the McAleese report is on living conditions and what happened to the women going in and coming out. The labour part was one element but not necessarily the major element in some cases. The majority of the women would have worked in the laundry but some did not.