Mr. Jimmy Martin:

Yes, at the very start when there was no distinction. For the existing scheme, the critical thing is not whether one worked in the laundry or not. To demonstrate the difficulty of that being a phenomenon of the existing scheme, if one looks at examples of industrial schools and primary schools, we do not know whether people who were in primary school in Stanhope Street were even in the laundry. In certain cases it was viewed as part of domestic science. One would be taught how to do laundry and that could involve laundry work. That is the kind of area we have to explore. We do not know if everybody who was admitted to an industrial school in High Park worked in the laundry. We know the people the Ombudsman dealt with had worked in the laundry but we do not know what the situation was with all the other women.