It has caused deep hurt. It was not Mr. Skehan's intention to do that, but it has caused deep hurt. I think it has undermined the Housing Agency because it suggests that this body, which advises Government, believes there is a problem here when in fact John O'Connor came out in a subsequent interview and said he did not believe there was a problem.

Mr. Skehan is absolutely right. It should be evidence based. If he or his organisation has evidence to suggest that this actually is a problem, then we have a conversation. The one publication we have access to - we had to get it by FOI - does not present it. That is why I think we are in difficulty on this remark. I ask Mr. Skehan to reflect on some of that and come back to me on it.