Ms Rosarii Mannion:

I do not dispute that and will be happy to go through the figures in detail. On the breakdown, the HSE employs 11,655 staff at grades 5, 6 and 7 and we employ 1,610 staff at grade 8 and above. There is a significant variation in respect of grades, role description and whether staff are back office, front-facing or whatever the case may be.