Mr. John McKeon:

-----which are produced by the sector are on progression into training, Tús and other CE schemes. It is not progression into paid employment. There are data. I just do not have them with me. The ESRI conducted a study of community employment outcomes a number of years ago. We have econometric studies of the impact of other schemes.

The figures are the same around the world. They are not unique to Ireland. State employment schemes tend to suffer from what are called lock-in effects. The general finding is valid. All over the world, employment advisory, case management and job search assistance services are more effective at moving someone into employment than schemes that effectively lock someone out of the labour market for at least a year.