Mr. John Barrett:

The meeting in the college on 2 July in effect was the kick-off of this review or discussion as to what we were dealing with and to try to scope out where it was at. Mr. Culhane was at the meeting as were Superintendent Nolan, Chief Superintendent Anne Marie McMahon, Cyril Dunne and myself. Mr. Ken Ruane was not at that meeting, but the suggestion was that he would be joining that steering group. At that point, even though it was pretty clear that the complexity demanded internal audit, the view was taken by Cyril Dunne that we should not at that point engage with Niall Kelly.

There was a series of discussions. There is a very comprehensive chronology of those discussions through the month of July in my engagement with Mr. Ruane, largely because I went to him for advice.