Mr. Brian McKeon:

I will follow on from that, as someone who has been involved with the BCAR since the day it came into being, I can see there has been a huge change of culture. Reference was made earlier to the assigned certifiers we take on. We pay them but they can only be members of three institutions, the Royal Institute of Architects in Ireland, the Institution of Engineers of Ireland and the Society of Chartered Surveyors Ireland. The certifiers also fall under codes of practice and ethics. They take their job very seriously and there is no bending of the rules. I can state quite categorically that they take their role very seriously. They must sign documents prior to starting and sign the end document, with me as the builder, to say that the property is built in accordance with the building regulations. Their professional indemnity insurance is on the line and their job is on the line, as is mine. When the Construction Industry Regulations Ireland, CIRI, becomes statutory then if a person does not comply with the rules and regulations he or she would be removed from the CIRI and that is their livelihood gone. That is the reality. From a consumer point of view the quicker that comes into being the better because this industry will be a better industry.