Mr. Pat Healy:

The best assessment of that is HIQA inspection reports because that is independent across public and private. As I said earlier, the public service facilities fare very well in those reports as do many private facilities. We mention in section 5.3 of the report to the committee that in the review it was confirmed that a higher proportion of maximum dependent older people are catered for in public facilities. It is 60% versus perhaps 30% in the private sector. That is the figure. If one asks the acute hospital system, geriatricians who refer patients out will tell one that there is a higher level of dependency.