Mr. James Clarke:

There are 660 schemes in the Department of Social Protection and 93 in the CIB. That is the reality. I did mention MABS National Development Limited as a company that provides all the support to the companies delivering the services. I suggest that if the CIB has a difficulty, why not transfer responsibility for the management of the 51 MABS companies to MABS National Development Limited? It is a competent company that does excellent work and has very good people working for it. Some of the people in MABS National Development Limited have influenced legislative changes. Senator Humphreys knows this because of issues that arose in some of the legislation passed, particularly relating to debt relief notices, where it was inoperable because of deficiencies. It was MABS National Development Limited that identified that, not CIB. They are the issues we need to look at. We should not destroy that structure.