Mr. Dermot O'Leary:

The only time I met the Minister, Deputy Ross, was on the fringes of a "Prime Time" programme. He would not debate the issues with me, of course. That was the only time, but it goes further than that. I believe the Minister has not even met the boards of the CIE companies yet - that is, the main board and the three subsidiaries. It is a damning indictment of the man who owns those companies that he has not met the boards yet. I see from the screen that he is in the Seanad and, hopefully, it will get more answers from him this afternoon than us. I am sorry for the long answer but the short answer is "no".