Seán Fleming (Laois, Fianna Fail)
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The record of that meeting has not been published on the Oireachtas system yet. Had the witnesses watched the proceedings, they might have been able to remember them, but they cannot. The Oireachtas has not been in a position to provide that transcript. The Deputy will therefore appreciate that the witnesses, and this is why I interject, are at a disadvantage because they do not have the benefit of that transcript. We are not disputing that-----