Joanna Tuffy (Dublin Mid West, Labour)
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I want to make a couple of comments before bringing in Senator Healy Eames. I wish to emphasise that this discussion relates to third level education, or higher education. This includes the institutes of technology, but the other third level institutes are also relevant. As I was saying to Senator O'Donnell before the meeting, my father was a lecturer at DIT in Kevin Street, and one of the things he did was to run a course for other lecturers about teaching at third level. That was back in the 1970s. There was some kind of structure back then, but obviously not as advanced as it is now.