Willie Penrose (Longford-Westmeath, Labour)
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We must have some indulgence here. Otherwise, the game goes dead.

I accept the bona fides of the Minister in what he is trying to achieve. Let us start with that, but as a barrister I am not completely convinced that what is contained in amendment No. 44 can override what is contained in section 5, which is the new section 10(1) and (2)(a). I ask that legal advice, perhaps from the Attorney General, be sought on this.

In this regard, there is confusion - I am not saying the Minister's officials are confused but the whole place might be confused - because issuing and certification are different functions. The national hunt committee issues a certificate, the master of the hunt certifies it and then it goes back for certification by the national hunt committee.