Mr. Paul Carroll:

People do it to get experience that they can present elsewhere in the public sector to get a job or in the hope or expectation of the moratorium being lifted, providing the prospect of future employment. There is no element of compulsion.

The Senator cited the example of a school caretaker. We see this at both extremes. We should not allow the veterinary surgeon on the one hand or the caretaker on the other. I hope that I am explaining this well.