Ray Butler (Meath West, Fine Gael)
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I am talking about the gentleman who is a painter or a candlestick maker who is just bringing in a normal income. He would have to pay the stamp but the gentleman who has three or four pharmacies - to take the example of pharmacies - and a big turnover of a few million euro a year, would not be jumping out of his skin when we would say that we would slap another 1.5% on him to pay for a social provision. At some level we would cap him and that would bring everybody into the picture. IBEC published a report covering this area which we received and 78% of its members are in favour of the introduction of such a new stamp. Some of them want this measure to be mandatory and some of them want-----