Ms Claire Owens:

No, I cannot. It is only from what I am seeing in my work on the ground. If I am working in a particular area where there are urban horse owners, I work with those owners and I see new horses coming in. That is where some of those horses are coming from. Some of them are being bought and sold through their own process of buying and selling while some of them are breeding mares and then guys are coming in with trucks and they are buying them off the back of the trucks.