Mr. Frank Daly:

I think I became aware of it at some stage. In the beginning, when we went to Northern Ireland, Brian Rowntree was the head of the Northern Ireland executive. He provided an office for us to meet in the Northern Ireland executive office. He resigned from that role, but I am unsure of that date. We went to Belfast for a subsequent meeting, which was held in a hotel. Then Mr. Cushnahan said to us that he could get us a meeting room in Tughans next time around for our meeting, if that suited us. I will say up front that if we had known then what we know now-----