Mr. Brian Cowen:

Well, there was some discussion, I think, taking place. Certainly Brian was ... the Minister for Finance was there when the banks were there, and some of the evidence given by others suggested that this issue was mentioned there but it may have been the case that we didn't make a formal decision on it while he was there, that maybe he had gone at that point. So I just wanted to, in fairness to him, make that point that he said that to me some time later. So it wasn't a week or two later, maybe some time later.